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Hello Eva

If you want a terrible example (and they occur every day) of the objectives of Islam then the dreadful murders of all those Christians in Lahore (was it?) today by a Muslim suicide bomber is it.  It shows how wrong and misguided views such as those that Lindis have are.  And dangerous.  One can hardly call Pakistan a nation oppressed by the West. They did this to their own people. Except they are not in their view – they are Christians and thus fair game.

I have been is discussion with a number of ‘respectable’ Kiwis about forming some sort of network to counter the influence of Muslims and Islam in NZ.  I think I will call it the Charles Martel Society.  He must be wondering what on earth is going on in Europe as he looks down.

That is just for your own information.

Cheers

Russell

PS Are you watching  The Night Manager?

Russell Armitage

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Hello Eva

Yes I can understand your total incomprehension of this.

I will answer this along with the email from Lindis at the same time as my reply will cover both.

The reasons or excuses that Lindis gives  (bolded by me) are in part some of the excuses for Islam, Muslim nations and their failures I would have used myself perhaps 20 years ago – and that is not a putdown of Lindis’s views. It is sincerely held by many Western liberals.  But most of them have not read the Koran or the Hadith or been in exchanges with Mullahs. Bruce and I have done both over the past 10 years.  Of course we all know very reasonable peaceful Muslims but that is irrelevant (I have just sent an All Black jersey to one I made friends with in Walsall) .

The suicide bombers who are extremists quite genuinely believe they are doing Allah’s work and that they will be rewarded.

There was a very good interview on Aljazeera about a month – I will try and find the link- with a well known Muslim cleric who had worked with the Taliban in Afghanistan and once held those views. He doesn’t now. But he made it quite clear that the Koran can be used to justify killing infidels.  Killing Muslims along with them is OK as they will also be granted paradise. It is very hard for Westerns who have the benefit of the Graeco-Roman ((and Judaic) heritage, the Reformation and the Enlightenment to comprehend this. But if you are going to understand Islam you have to.

I do not agree with the view that Lindis says about Centuries of persecution of Muslims by Christianity.  It was in fact quite the reverse. All of what is now Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, etc etc  were all large Christian states in a majority.  These Christians have been almost exterminated by the conquering onslaught of Islam.  Just look at the poor remnants of them now. Very sad – and I am an atheist.

Islam has an obligation to impose its belief structure on all infidels.  It is our biggest threat today.  Islam is not compatible with democracy as the chaos and failure in every Islamic state today testifies. However I will say no more but end with one recent example.  We were in Auckland last month (Pop Up Globe) and there were groups of Muslims proselytizing on street corners near Aotea Sq.  I engaged one group on discussion and they are always very keen to do so and are always pleasant to start. I asked them what they were doing. Telling the truth about Islam they said. Can you tell me I said if you think Church and State should be separate. One young chap said of course we do . Really I said I thought it was fundamental teaching of Islam that religion and state are one. No no the young chap said. But then his older ‘minder’ said to  me. We do not believe that religion and the civil state should be separate they should be one because Islam provides the perfect system to govern all aspects of life. Yes I said that I know is what Islam believes – you had better get you young chap up to speed. And that is why it is incompatible with democracy.

Anyway you do not have to listen to me on this or take my word as I am a white, middle class Westerner who is an atheist.

But I am sending you a book by Ayaan Hirsi Ali called  Heretic  which I think should be required reading for people who think that Islam is a peaceful religion and that we only have to get rid of the few extremists and we can live with Islam in peace and happiness.  She is well known (and it was sent to me by a friend who thinks Bruce and I are ‘extremists’ because of our very critical stance on Islam but after reading it he had to eat a bit of humble pie. But once again that was the first time he had actually read about the religion rather than listening to the apologists who are rife in the West due to all sorts of odd reasons – guilt being one of them.   After 4 years in the West Midlands I have seen and experienced the dreadful damage that it has done to England and English society. It is a tragedy.  But almost too late.  Have you come across the Trojan Horse Report commissioned by Westminster whose findings came out in 2013 – about Muslim infiltration of state schools in Birmingham. A bombshell.

I hope you find the Ayaan Ali worthwhile.  I suspect you will now about her.

Best wishes

Russell

PS I have sent 2 reminders about my requests for Concert FM – but no reply!

—–Original Message—–
From: Eva Radich [mailto:Eva.Radich@radionz.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 9:12 AM
To: ROBIN L H TAYLOR; Russell Armitage
Subject: RE: Islam

Thank you friends

It’s impossible for me to comprehend how these suicide bombers get to the point where that becomes an end in itself.

But unless you have nothing to lose why would you?

Interesting point that came out today from a Belgian reporter on Morning Report was that the men who carried out the suicide bombings this time were criminals already who’d been in prison before for armed robbery would rather die than go back inside.

That level of despair is to my mind the problem.

But what do I know of Islam or being a foreigner with no job, living in a wealthy city like Brussels? Too many contradictions even in those few circumstances.

But the one thing Jef Neve said to me that struck a chord is these are the conditions that could create another war, not so different to Europe in 1939

No wonder our population is increasing!

Eva

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From: ROBIN L H TAYLOR [xtr184963@xtra.co.nz]

Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 11:30 p.m.

To: Russell Armitage; Eva Radich

Subject: Re: Islam

Mmm.. Russell

But what I heard him emphasise was the failure to understand and reach out to peoples of different religions and societies, ensuring that they are made to feel welcome, to provide them with decent housing, education, jobs so that there’s no reason for refugees to retreat into an embattled place where blame for their suffering comes to be felt as the result of their hostile neighbours and the state authorities which makes no serious gestures of help.

ISIS has flourished as a result of centuries of western, Christian bigotry and its attempts to control the Muslim world, to impose infantile notions of ‘democracy’ on them, of the west’s support of an utterly intolerable Israel in their midst, of stupid interference in the internal affairs of countries whose predicament has been largely the result of earlier western interference – post WW1, specifically.

Lindis

On Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:19 PM, Russell Armitage <russell.armitage@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Eva

Quite interesting hearing your guest speaking on Brussels now.

He just echoes what my friends there are saying.

The fundamental problem is that Europeans for all sorts of reasons have been naive and ignorant in their dealings with Islam and Muslims.

If you are interested in getting a good overview of the issue then I suggest you read the book by Ayaan Hirsi Ali  Heretic.

Should be required reading for all Western politicians and liberals.

Cheers

Russell

Russell Armitage

1A Wymer Terrace

Queenwood

HAMILTON 3210

07 855 6332

Russell Armitage

1A Wymer Terrace

Queenwood

HAMILTON 3210

07 855 6332